Babylon 5

[AsIs]

LOL, what Iz said! Drat it all, he beat me to it! I think Justin was stated as the Man In-between at one point. But don't remember exactly. (Justin is Sheridan's Shadow counterpart)

But I also speculate that the man in-between is Lorien. After all, Lorien is in-between the Shadows and the Vorlons, whereas, everyone else is on one side or another.

This is what Lurker's has from just after the episodes first showing: This episode resolves, at least initially, most of Sheridan's dream from "All Alone in the Night." Sheridan is "the hand," one half of a pair of opposing forces. He wears the Psi Corps badge to signify their alliance with Bester, and his position as someone in charge of large numbers of telepaths. Ivanova's statement, "Do you know who I am?" refers to her latent telepathic ability ("Divided Loyalties.") However, it's still not clear who the "man in between" is. It's also not clear whether Sheridan's analysis, even with the help of Delenn and Ivanova, is actually correct.

[MerleZ]

Thanks, guys. Yeah, we'd watched the ep last night, and were wondering if their speculation was the final word on interpretation. I'd speculated last night that the man in between could be Lorien. My thinking, though, was that he seemed to be between life and death. Between Shadows and Vorlons works for me, too. I was not particularly satisfied with the speculative answers given.

[Rantarn]

Bmat,

Justin was the white haired guy Sheridan met on Zha'Ha'Dum when he went there.


OK, so what about the raven on Ivanova's shoulder? What was that all about?

[AsIs]

The raven was supposed to symbolize her latent telepathy that was never really developed because Claudia left the show. So I think it would have become more clear what that symbolism was if she had stayed. But Sheridan doesn't find out she is a teep until after he has the dream for the first time.

[ProfCrash]

Iz, Kosh was one of the Vorlons on Babylon 4 when it went back in time. Actually, both Kosh's on B5 were there.

In the remade The Gathering, Kosh greats Sinclair as Entil'za Valen, out of respect for the time spent together 1000 years ago.

As for who was in the Blue suit, I thought that Zathras handed the time stabilizer to Delenn in the Blue Suit and not Sheridan....

Keeping track of who is who and where they are is next to impossible...

Sheridan goes ahead in time and essentially enters the body of himself on Centauri Prime, I do not think that anything happens to the older Sheridan other then he is temprarily napping in his own body. In the third book of the Legion of Fire series, Sheridan comments that he must have just jumped in time and asks Delenn if anything has changed.

[ProfCrash]

Good I love this show, even after it has aired, and re-aired, we stilla re puzzeling things out. (grins)

[iznardy]

Well, I originally thought Zathras handed the time stabilizer to Delenn. But it seems to me that one of the next scenes shows Sheridan rematerializing at the hatch and Delenn finding him. It's then that she does the switch. After that, Marcus and Ivonova find Sheridan with a working time stabilizer (he says, 'This isn't mine, someone must have swtiched it') and Marcus asks, "If you're here, who's out there in a blue suit?". And then Delenn, in the suit, rescues Zathras, who is trapped under a fallen girder.

Sooo--I guess the sequence could be--Delenn trades places with John and gives him her time stabilizer. Then she disappears and eventually gets the "fixed" stabilizer from Zathras. And then goes and frees him from the girder.

If that's the case, then the question is, who was in the blue suit the first time the crew saw it ("Sir, It's back again.")

[sindatur]

Iz, your hereticing works fine for me as an alternative, except I can't buy the PSIcop uniform bit, cause to me it represents a cooperation of sorts, not a capture. However, I could accept it for the Teepsicles in the Civil War back home at Season 4's end.

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[Bmat]

Justin? Could someone remind me who that is? I can't remember him.

[iznardy]

sind-wiz--

i don't recall all the psi-uniform images but i seem to remember sheridan being dressed as a psicop looking up at another image of himself in black.

that's where i got the idea about opposition. when sheridan is captured, his interrogator is essentially trying to convince him to confess because his actions were wrong, and counters all of sheridan's answers with an "opposing" philosophy of what is "real" and what is not. sheridan, to win against the shadows and against clark, has to use some of the methods that he detests in psi-corp: he uses Lyta Alexander to enhance station security, he sacrifices various telepaths in order to deactivate earth warships, etc. just recently we heard him say that to beat the shadows he has to think like them, and delenn is shocked. so maybe the image is a recognition of the fact that sheridan will act like bester if pushed, even though he hates what bester does and what he represents. sheridan has to come to terms that there a little bester in the best of us.

iz